Use it or Lose it

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  tayler | October 21st, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

  Thanks for your comment, deafdude. BTW, I removed where you name-called Barry. I hope you don’t mind. Most times, I would have not approved it, but your comment was lengthy and was good food for thought.

  Believe me, it’s easier than it looks. Try running the sites. I can sit down and explain how each was banned. The recurring theme? Each wasn’t expelled immediately. They were given due process, opportunity to negotiate and a big tap on the shoulder.

  I respect your feelings about Barry. That is your opinion. We’ve had our disagreements, and he’s apologized to me in the past.
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  Valhallian | October 21st, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

  Penny, if you think you can convince me that there is a comparision of AGB the man and AGB the organization to Hitler and the Holocaust, then it tells me that I would be wasting my time trying to explain it to you. I now beleive I would be better off just letting you continue to scratch your head cuz you will unfortunately never get it if you actually beleive in this comparision.
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  Valhallian | October 21st, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

  I would have to agree with strictly and solely the specific area where deafdude was saying no one should be banned, (as I am not agreeing with the rest of what he has had to say as people have the right to say their thoughts in this country) considering that we have the deafread hide feature. If people want to slander and the like, we have the courts of law to decide on that. That would actually make your job easier Tayler.

  If people bitch and whine to you, you can simply tell them to use the hide feature if they don’t like it. After all, DR does state that because they allow a posting, it does not mean that they endorse it ya know?

  I would think that the less guidelines you have, the better it would be for you, because you have that hide feature, that you can easily refer the whiners to if they complain to you.

  Or you can have one or two simple guidelines,1) no state or federal laws shall be broken when using DR. 2) anything not specifically deaf related goes to DR extras. Just my two cents here altho I do fully acknowledge that DR is your site and you can do as you please with it.
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  tayler | October 21st, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

  V, let her go. She never gets it. About anything. I’ve tried and tried. I don’t mean to sound insensitive, I admire her passion.
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  Penny | October 21st, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

  Tayler,

  Ella, Joey, Mike, Aidan, Ridor, Michelle, Carl, Mikey, and many more said the same thing about you…You never get it. It is too bad that you and I never seem to agree about anything in the past three years. It looks like dialogue between you and us are not possible. I think the only solution right now is to find someone who has your talent to develop new website and vlogtv where we can share same belief, vision and goals. But I admire you for one thing is that you took your time to correspond with me via e-mails in the past three years and sometime you made first initation—to communicate with me via e-mails when my comments upset you. Many said you ignored their e-mails but I do not feel that way with you most of the times. I think you and I tried to work things out but it looks like we never will. It is sad to see this happened between us.
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  MM | October 21st, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

  Always the ‘community’ is on self-destruct, you would think we have enough issues of access to worry about, we got too much time on our hands ! Where I am there are many issues of discriminations in the work, care, education, emergency areas, and dire access in many of them, you tune in online they talk drivel about ‘isms’ or deafhoods day in day out, and want to attack each other….

  I’d despair but for the fact I know a few are still interested in bettering our lot… the issue is still communication, or the total lack of it. I don’t excerise the option of not seeing the whines and moans, because they won’t go away doing that, it is this vicious chip, chip, chipping away at unity of us, it seems clear there are people who do not want unity at any price. I don’t need an opt out for the ASL abuser because ignorance of ASL is bliss in my case, I can’t help thinking how the hell are we ever going to sit around any table and cut the crap…
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  Freezepop | October 22nd, 2009 @ 12:40 am

  John,
  Instead of pointing to TheHolism, move your gun toward to your head and then, trigger it.

  Maybe you don’t understand what I’m trying to say but I will help you to understand…the more you rant, the more foolish you will be. There has been tiny voices in your head is telling you something that you shouldn’t be doing this but you choose to ignore it and taking the foolish path. That’s the choice you’ve made.
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  Karen Mayes | October 22nd, 2009 @ 2:48 am

  Good posting about the block feature.

  In an hour I will leave for the hospital where my son will have a minor surgerical procedure, so I want to take this opportunity to thank you for opening up the discussion about audism, human nature, etc. I learned some things from you and the commenters. I am smiling in bemusement at a few people who insist on fingerpointing at us when we have not done anything, but then they believe what they see… their version of truth is real to them… anyway, truth is relative *shrug*

  Have a wonderful day. Yesterday we had Indian Summer and today also… the foliage is glorious!
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  JD | October 22nd, 2009 @ 3:24 am

  You really feel badly about losing the Trailblazer contest that you became so manic making so many posts to make yourself more visible, to make Deafread more alive?? Like someone says, be a man. I think John Egbert can be the next trailblazer. Lauren, the MC, said trailblazers were chosen just by Purple people. They did not really have special criteria. They are looking for publicity. They pick people that will help bring attention to the event. Since you are a big controversery, it was a good idea to bring you there. People were making vlogs about why you should not win. That is a good marketing for the purple people.
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  Karen Mayes | October 22nd, 2009 @ 3:28 am

  Hey, Val, related to one of your comments… about hearing parents of deaf children being turned away. Tayler, I hope you’d not mind publishing this comment since it’s not related to your posting.

  I can testify that it had happened to my parents… even in 1960′s. I was not doing well at CID so the preschool administration (I believe her name was Ms. Gloss? Golf? I dont remember…) approached my parents and regretfully told them that I did not have an aptitude for speaking and listening And then somewhere along the line, I started talking and CID decided to give me another chance. I was NOT a poster child, mind you.
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  Gary Brooks | October 22nd, 2009 @ 3:38 am

  Hi-

  Might not related to this topic but wanted to share little a bit. There is an old story about Ringling Bros Circus giving performance at a small town yet the audience were harsh and nasty at all costs. The circus decided to strike down, move away and never come back. Over the years, many audience realized and break away. This small town became known as “Ghost Town”.

  Same here, many Deaf Entertainers like myself hide away as well good bloggers, vloggers and viewers hide away. Who know that DeafRead and DeafVideo.TV could become
  Cyber Ghost Town.

  The question we have been asking over and over again…”Is that what Deaf Community is all about?

  My two cents.
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  White Ghost | October 22nd, 2009 @ 5:21 am

  Eh….

  John E. — take a nice look at October 21, 7:12 PM

  “It is all about the deceivers such as the holism, etc.”

  Another one….October 21, 7:48 PM

  Labeled: Barry and his lapdogs…

  “Let’s work together for the deaf babies and children in schools now!”

  You still don’t get the position you are having right now. Being a true leader like to hurt people’s feelings. That’s you.

  You need to look up to many good deaf leaders such as Dr. Alan Hurwitz, Dr. David Davila, Bobbie Scoggins and many more. They *NEVER* label or call any people “deceivers” in the v/blogsphere.

  I happen to agree with Barry’s views, would you consider that you call me a “deceiver” and Barry’s one of the lapdogs? Of course you would! Since your’e the founder and leader for the DBC, that’s the censorship.

  Your’e hell of the worst leader and I refuse to work with you to promote the bilingual for the deaf babies and children.

  You have no clue and still don’t get the role model for being a true leader.

  Prove me if you disclose the status of how many chapters in the USA and other countries that under the DBC’s headquarter.

  Sorry, Tayler if this is the off-point.
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  theHolism | October 22nd, 2009 @ 5:54 am

  Deafdude,

  FYI, I joined the forum on June 2008. Never heard of DR or DVTV until John Egbert mentioned it. Never had plans. John Egbert was the one who told me about DR and encouraged me to get involved. That was some time before June 2008. I took a peek at DR but did not participate until I realized that I was one of many former DBC core members who were pushed aside.

  I started out at DR and blogged about it. Shortly afterwards I learned about DVTV and was encouraged to vlog there as well so I did and experimented with the idea. End result? I liked it better at DVTV because there were no room for anonymous shield that you all seem to enjoy at DR. At DVTV, accountability was in its rightful place because we could visualize who said what and I liked it better. They were real people with real language and real faces. And naturally I thrived there.

  Occasionally I’d come back to visit DR only to see that it’s still a world filled with anonymous players. The world of underground cowards. I hear this lame excuses again and again as if DR was supposed to be the place for intelligent beings while DVTV was the place for deficit beings. I did not buy it. I, along with few others brought intelligent discourses to DVTV and guess what? It thrived there and because of it you guys are whining about it, wondering how it was possible for you guys to lose so much clout at DR in so little time. Go figure. Elitism is the root of your problem.

  I appreciate your calling me “the man”. I really do. I also thank you for identifying me as the deafless human being. It was a gratifying feeling knowing that my message got across the table.

  No doubt about it. I’ve got an arrogant attitude and rightfully so because you guys sat on the ‘Deaf’ cushions for too long, taking so-called deaf rights for granted. We were so behind, as you eloquently put it. So behind that I saw the need to jump start our lame attitudes and staggering mindsets. I threw in controversial issues because the community needed it. They were not getting any where. DBC and AFA had all the wrong strategic plans and made some of the most embarrassing moves. And yet nobody spoke up. A case of severe apathy! Unfortunately it took an arrogant individual like myself to step in help some of you recognize the core of the problem. Problem? That’s right. We are a society without strategic values and that has to end if we ever want to make real differences in this world.

  You are right. Keeping our emotions in check at all times is not a difficult thing to do. I am not sure why we’re not seeing more emotion-stable v/bloggers. Like you said, it’s not that hard. The more stable I was the angrier deafhood people became. The longer I kept my cool the quicker they blew their tops and walked out. I’m glad you recognized the qualities in me because perhaps it’d encourage others to adopt this wonderful tactic of mine.

  Sure, I don’t doubt the fact that I’v made myself famous but I can’t take all the credit for it. The other side made me even more famous because they sang my name aloud every single day, giving me the power I never asked for. They made my name a household name every where, making it clear that I am the reason they walked out of DVTV and DR. My name is seen every where and it’s now becoming clear on why they walked out. Not because of audism. Not because of lack of cooperation on Tayler’s part. It was because of me. And that’s okay. I can take it. Your comment echoed this important fact and I thank you for that. I don’t mind the free publicity you guys are giving me. However if you wanted to end this Barryism rhetorics you ought to quit talking about me and start talking about the contents. I assure you, it’ll do you wonders. But if you choose to give me free publicity I’d gladly take it any day. How you prioritize things is entirely up to you, not me.

  Mind you, winning the debate was never an interest of mine. I like to throw in valid points or questions because I believe that it strengthens us if one could dispute them and come up with better answers or ideas. Winning or losing was never a concern of mine. The ultimate goal has always been to take us to a higher level, not lower, therefore challenges are of essences. We don’t belong if we don’t appreciate challenges. Remember the essences of survival of the fittest? Do I sit back and watch my people settle for less and dwell in the world of civil rights or do I push them to the next level and turn them into the fittest beings?

  I did not tout my 7th generation label until some of you touted your ‘deaf family’ backgrounds as if it made them the superiors. Upon seeing how they’ve abused their status in the community I stepped in and touted mine, just to level the playing ground. It was done to make a point. The point was, it don’t matter because even I, with such generations, do not share the same view. And it worked. It opened the eyes of the world. It showed that we are a society of independent thinkers.

  I am glad you noticed the book club. The book club was not my idea so I won’t take credit for it. I ran into this wonderful book long before I discovered DR and DVTV. I shared the book with certain few and one of the certain few proposed the idea of starting a book club at DVTV. That was really a creative idea because I believe it’s the first kind of book e-club ever. In more ways than one it empowered DVTV and made it a better place for deaf people.

  I make no secret about the contents of the book called “To Become A Human Being” written by Steve Wall because we as a deaf community have so much to gain from it. The long and difficult struggle Native Americans experienced when they tried to preserve their culture and language is something we deaf people could learn from. There are so many things that parallels with our community. Only if we are willing to learn from them. We may discover the very solution we’re desperately seeking for our own community, preservation of our language and culture.

  I make no secret about comparing this Human Being book with U.S. version of Deafhood so I am glad you brought it up. If one wanted to see the other side of U.S. version deafhood you would just need to read this simple book, a much easier book to read. It’s also a very inspiring book because it encourage us to embrace our deafness and excel in ways we’d never imagined for ourselves. It’s a very empowering book. And you called it ‘really sick’. Why are you against the idea of empowering deaf people? Clever move on my part? Perhaps so but I make no secret about it.

  You said I have never apologized for my action? Check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti9IX7AuUX0. I apologized to everybody. I sent out a letter of apology to DBC but they never responded. According to John Egbert’s comment from yesterday he said that he instructed them not to respond. I offer an apology to Ella again at DVTV under a vlog but she was not sure if she wanted to accept it. I apologized many times to certain individuals, in private and in public. I’ll apologize to you if I said something offensive to you but then I don’t know who you are since you’re using an anonymous shield. Can’t help you there.

  “I am fuckin bold all the way”, you say? Okay by me. It won’t change the fact that I am being honest with everybody here. I do not try to be somebody else nor will I ever. Don’t like me? Don’t watch me. Use the block features. It’s pretty simple.

  Furthermore, if you thought I was in it for popularity contest, think again. I don’t give a hoot whether I’m popular or not. If I cared I would have acted the way many of you acted, the world of hypocrites. I don’t tread carefully for the sake of popularity contest.

  Barry
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  mcconnell | October 22nd, 2009 @ 6:53 am

  Oh, so now it’s about practicing “due process” first rather than shoot first-ask question later. My my…
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  Anonymous | October 22nd, 2009 @ 9:17 am

  Barry: LOL! loved your comment to John, “I feel so empowered with all the free publicity. You have made me so famous.” And DeafDude kept right on carrying the torch. Projection is such a fascinating phenomenon, isn’t it? There’s the old childhood chant, “I’m rubber and you’re glue. Insults bounce off me and stick to you.” Barry, Tayler, Valhallian, and others have said and done nothing to be ashamed about, whereas the actions and words of John, Patti, Penny, and others do bring disfavor to them.
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  A Deaf Pundit | October 22nd, 2009 @ 9:22 am

  This is for John… This is how you come across to us. I took one of your comments and modified it a bit:

  John,

  With your rambling, I am confused with your comments and seems that you are so pissed off since your assumption of not being selected as one of the Purple Trailblazer and was ignored and now you are all steamed up!

  Don’t pour it on me and it is time to realize that there is something not having your way as well as the community with their education and language being oppressed.

  Accept the karma coming for you for your lacking of efforts towards Deaf oppressions for over 100 years and letting people like Ella and her lapdogs dominating your thoughts of operating Deafread.

  —

  Maybe this will help you understand why we’re so repelled by what you have to say!
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  tayler | October 22nd, 2009 @ 10:11 am

  JD, they interviewed people before selecting the trailblazers. And Purple does not want NEGATIVE attention.

  It was Patti’s boycott post that pushed me over the line. It was her second time, and she wrote it when she knew I was in D.C. I explained my reasons clearly.

  Because people have difficulty separating my role as DeafRead moderator and as a blogger, I gradually became quieter. That is not who I am. I was being suppressed, or I suppressed myself. What you’re seeing now is unleashed feelings and opinions. Many people have e-mailed me showing support. I have come to the realization people do understand the separation of roles, but are just using it to try to shut us up.
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  Anonymous | October 22nd, 2009 @ 10:25 am

  Deaf Pundit, you captured the concept perfectly. Take all the rants of John et al, and just change the names they were addressed to. It’s like Barry always says — words people use are a mirror into their innermost selves. When I comment on DeafRead, I apply this technique and then decide whether or not to take more time to analyze myself and maybe rephrase my comments using “I” language.
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  MM | October 22nd, 2009 @ 10:34 am

  The thing is Holism, is never apologise, it’s a sign of weakness (I think John Wayne had something to say on it!), if we don’t mean it, don’t say it, hence my policy is let it stand, it’s already out there, careful next time around…. You cannot please all the people etc, so it’s best you stay true to yourself. If we get wound up, then things get said. Abuse like beauty, can be in the eyes of the beholder too. I am too terrified of conformity, for it to be an issue with me !
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  Linda Slovick | October 22nd, 2009 @ 10:44 am

  Hi Tayler,

  I genuinely did not understand that Y3 was your personal blog at first. Maybe it would be helpful to subtitle it, “Tayler’s Personal Blog”
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  tayler | October 22nd, 2009 @ 10:56 am

  Hmm. I’m curious what you thought y3 was?
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  asterixthegaul | October 22nd, 2009 @ 11:13 am

  John,

  It is not right to hear your comment such as a socialism like those communism, which is long over in old days, today we are much of free speech in our days, therefore we can tell anything we want in agreement or disagreement, for those people who are observed for decided themselves whichever they like it or not, your method of socialism are long over, we are moving to new age methods therefore use those method, you can still impressed people with your method to see if you can win that over the opponents.
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  theHolism | October 22nd, 2009 @ 11:16 am

  MM,

  Thanks for the advice. I’m not a big fan of movies so whatever has been said in the Hollywood land is beyond me. Ha ha.

  If we don’t mean it, don’t say it, rings true for me too. I meant everything I said but at times my diction (choice of word) could use some honing and appear less offensive to some of the weaklings. I do not apologize for the things that I meant to say but I do apologize for my diction for they are not my product. It’s becoming clear that we’re living in this world of weak hearts. Therefore apologies can come in handy.

  Let there be no doubt about it. I’m staying true to myself so I thank you for the reminder.

  Barry
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  Valhallian | October 22nd, 2009 @ 11:24 am

  aye Tayler, please continue to blog your thoughts as a blogger and do not let anyone suppress you. Heck, even newspaper editors write their own thoughts on their newspapers don’t they? no difference here. I am not going to email you my support, I going to say it here in public, loudly and clearly!!!! You have my support!
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  Valhallian | October 22nd, 2009 @ 11:31 am

  MM. I beg to differ, apologizing is not always a sign of weakness, it can also be a sign of showing that you are the better person, it can also be a sign of strength, especially when you find that you are wrong and willing to man up, (it takes a lot of strength to swallow your pride if necessary), it can be a sign of compromising, it can be many other things, but it is not ALWAYS a sign of weakness.
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  Linda Slovick | October 22nd, 2009 @ 11:48 am

  I thought “Y3″ was just something techie, related to the internals of the website…

  What DOES it mean?
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  Linda Slovick | October 22nd, 2009 @ 11:55 am

  …related to the internals of the DeafRead website (you remember how I at first misunderstood which hat you were wearing? My mistaking the name as some “maintenance” function was part of my misunderstanding).

  Hope this helps!
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  tayler | October 22nd, 2009 @ 12:05 pm

  LOL. All those “maintanence” posts are made at the DeafRead Official Blog. When we write there, we are (more) neutral.

  I’ll look into making it more apparent y3 is my personal blog.

  The meaning of y3 is explained at the About Tayler page.
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  tayler | October 22nd, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

  V, thanks for your comment! BTW, I fully concur with you that apologizing doesn’t make a person look bad. It’s an admission that one cannot be perfect and will make mistakes. I have made mistakes.
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  White Ghost | October 22nd, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

  Tayler–

  I know Your’e happy to know that Barry had to defend you! Just got off from the Holism’s latest blog, “Hey Aidan!” I thought it was great! Thumbs up.

  Hope he makes you to feel better!

  Despite on the stress-out your’e having, chin up, Tayler. We’re behind you all the way.
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  tayler | October 22nd, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

  Yeah, I made a couple of comments under his post too. It’s awaiting approval LOL Be sure to check.

  Thanks WG.
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  Shel | October 22nd, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

  Tayler, I hope you don’t mind my saying this. This is directly addressed to the post you made here.

  I can see that you are going through a difficult time, and my heart does go out to you.

  Ann_C asked me to elaborate what I meant about your removing commenters from under vloggers’ vlogs at DVTV, and why some cried out censorship. I do have a suggestion for a solution to that issue that may take some load off your shoulders. Whether that solution is realistic or not, I don’t know.

  Sigh.. I remember of one incident clearly. I believe it was in late August. I am not going to give names here. One commenter left a comment that was very critical of another individual (who has a reputation for harassment of others) under a vlog. Then that commenter discovered her comment was removed. She asked the vlogger if he removed her comment. He stated that he did not, and that he had no idea what happened to it. The conclusion that commenter (and many of us, to be honest) came to was that you removed it because someone complained to you about her comment.

  May I suggest in the future that you tell any future complainant to talk to the vlogger who is, or should be, responsible for moderating comments about removing an insulting comment. Should that not be successful, then you are the absolute LAST resort. This is just an idea to help alleviate at least some of the stress associated with running DVTV.

  Valhallian, thank you for the tips. I choose to not use DeafRead Hide for the simple reason that I wish to see it in its entirety, rather than piecemeal. I see DeafRead Hide as zooming IN…. to ONLY ONE part of a map, if you don’t mind this analogy, and focusing on one area of the map, and ignoring the largest part of the map, which would help to give you a very good idea of what the whole thing looks like, and what is happening. I don’t click on blogs or vlogs that don’t interest me.
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  tayler | October 22nd, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

  Shel, what hard time might I be going through? I’m again free to blog. I am once again who I am. I have Patti to thank.

  I do not know which situation you are referring to in DVTV. Video comments can be removed by one of 4 ways: 1) vlogger 2) video commenter 3) myself and 4) flags. It could be any of those. As I said earlier, I’ve removed only a handful. I’m estimating there’s an average of 500 video comments per day, calculating to approximately 45,000 video comments in 3 months’ time (500*30*3). The handful of comments I’ve removed total no more than 20. That’s out of 45,000. (Who knows how many have evaded my radar?) This is a rough number but you get a pretty good idea of how liberal I am. I also said they were removed because they are excessive. This correspondences with your suggestion to be the absolute last resort.
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  deafdude | October 22nd, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

  Hey, guys.. you all should look at yourselves, really. You guys have something in COMMON! EVERYONE included me… We couldn’t retain each other and their opinions, messages or what next? NOTHING COULD STOP THIS SHIT! NO BLOCKS AND OTHERS WILL HELP! We all have desperate eyes with a desire to gain more knowledge from A to Z without censorship or whatever! I noticed that deaf video community already turned into DEAF VIDEO COMMUNITIES now. I’m sure there will be private videos somewhere where they can be on their own with the topics. DEAF will become an endangered species on earth. Just be true to yourself and be a better person to others.

  Tayler, I thank you for not erasing anything on my comment… i dont know why you said it but i understand where it needed to be soft key to heated argumentation. That’s alright, Dude. Be free, man.

  Barry, thank you for your half-ass honestly, and I was quite surprised that you came here and jump-start some deafhoofuckin’ debates with someone like me. Want a honest straight up answer to your sad face? It caught your attention right there… if you haven’t answer or reply to my comment about you, I would be crashed, and thinking wow, what a fucking bold and arrogant man. You came here and replied to me. FYI, this have nothing do with anonymous or hiding our faces. Believe me, Im someone out there, you dont know where im come from, unless tayler gives out the location to you, and you would be surprised. Again, Im sure, you dont give a shit about it, right?

  Please do respect others, and you better buck off on these words. DEAFHOOD, AUDISM, and others are our valueable words and we do embrace them to understand ourselves better and go on our journey as a better deaf human beings. Look at yourself, kissing up under DICTONARY’s ass and tell everyone, that these words means nothing. Now you guys are claiming that there are group of DEAFHOOD v.2 virus (DEAFHOOD US version). From my view, you and these people are the opposite from our deaf world, that’s okay but please do respect our values… you can talk whatever you want.. and discuss about Indian shits. How it compares between indians and deafies – most researches out there have some proven factors that the way Indians lives and Deafies’ too are almost on same routines – they both have their languages taken away, they are abused by superiors or others like this group of audists/white human beings, they fell into addiction of drugs and alcohol. Yet, their cultures and pride remains stronger than rest of others and it will last forever!

  Don’t you ever whine about anonymous status because this is a real text conversation from a deaf human being, and you all knew that making videos or video comments are all illusion, because it can be edited, do it repeatly, and long process of thinking how to present yourselves to video world, in reality.. we are all fuckin human beings with our minds running around like idiots.

  Let everyone have their own opinions and voices (tool of communication) and speak out from their hearts without censorship, and let us help them out to become a better deaf human beings out there because we are joined by each other thru deaf communities across the world by contact, social, video social, clubs, events and many more. We are not teachers, law enforcers, and etc.. it goes for you, Tayler. Let them learn and let others learn how to protect themselves like other people out there. For example, if someone threatens, or reveal personal information or whatever against that person, then he/she can learn how to report to proper authorizations over that matter than crying over that and wahhhh on one person who owns the website, and he bans some of them because they broke their own smaller world of rules.

  Let them be this way, and we will eventually get to somewhere that everyone will know how to ignore or nod their heads and says to themselves “Yeah, right” or maybe some of them are suckers enuff to believe their B.S.? They will become stronger and deal with this shit better than have it blocked or removed by bunch of deaf editors.

  We are trying to act like others out there, but really… it wont get anywhere because we are living in this kind of society today. Sorry to say that, but it opens many many doors for everyone than past and we are evolving right now.

  See you guys around, I said my piece here and hope it wakes some of you guys up.
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  tayler | October 22nd, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

  Hi again deafdude. I don’t mind the occasional heated comment. However I want to point out a contradiction here.

  “you better buck off on these words. DEAFHOOD, AUDISM, and others are our valueable words”

  and

  “Let everyone have their own opinions and voices (tool of communication) and speak out from their hearts without censorship”

  I am not disagreeing with you. I am just saying these two are in conflict.

  You also said that block features shouldn’t exist. YouTube offers it. And most people do not use it. But it is there if you need the protection or peace of mind.
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  deafdude | October 22nd, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

  Tayler,

  Ok, whatever.. you threw these sentences from my second comments here and it keeps bouncing off the wall over again and again.

  Without the censorship, they can do whatever they want to.. it includes these words, and others… Barry can prancing around in the air with his followers and sings the ol’ retard song.

  Let me tell you, when there’s no r-list and there are something going on in DVTV – everyone is WAHHH from left or right, drove you nuts, and ban couple of vloggers and set up r-list rules after, then ban some more later. I dont know how many you have banned, 5 or 6 or 8, maybe 10? yet, they are part of our world, and does made impact on others, and have conflicts with some of people as well. But we will have to deal with it anyway. They STILL WAHHHH to ban some of them as if they broke some r-list rules over there, but still around in DVTV?

  Bottom line, if you never ban no-one, there would be less biased, no favoritism or people WAHHHH on ya in long run.. no r-list at all. They can report to higher authorizations like YOUTUBE, Seemics, or Law, and Police. They have to learn that way rather than follows the r-list. So you can just focus on how it is running by back-end programming or whatever.
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  Valhallian | October 22nd, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

  Deafdude, I have read your comments with an open mind and I will agree with a portion of what you have said. However, one area I’d like to seek a couple clarifications from you before I comment further and I will quote what you have said and explain why I seek further clarification.

  You said…

  “Please do respect others, and you better buck off on these words. DEAFHOOD, AUDISM, and others are our valueable words and we do embrace them to understand ourselves better and go on our journey as a better deaf human beings.”

  Clarification sought here…. what is your definition of deafhood and audism? the way I see it, not everyone in general can agree what it exactly means and it may perhaps be a reason for some of these controversies.

  You said..

  “From my view, you and these people are the opposite from our deaf world, that’s okay but please do respect our values… ”

  Clarification sought here… what is your definition of “our deaf world” at the beginning of your statement, you said that we all had something in common, and now here you are saying “our deaf world” as if these deaf people are not a part of it, at least that was the thought that came to mind, hence the reason for seeking clarification.

  At times, I get the gist that you want unity, other times, I get the gist that you do not want unity. Hence, the two clarifications above should help me figure out whether it is that you want the former or the latter.
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  Valhallian | October 22nd, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

  and Shel, I totally understand your analogy, as I feel the same way myself…wanting to see the whole map
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  Tom | October 22nd, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

  Taylor,

  You got my support… no question.
  I hope it will get better.
  

  Tom
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  MM | October 23rd, 2009 @ 12:23 am

  “MM. I beg to differ, apologizing is not always a sign of weakness, it can also be a sign of showing that you are the better person, it can also be a sign of strength, especially when you find that you are wrong and willing to man up, (it takes a lot of strength to swallow your pride if necessary), it can be a sign of compromising, it can be many other things, but it is not ALWAYS a sign of weakness.”

  It is in the cyber world, they don’t play by socially correct rules here ! Also compromise is seen as a climb down and a victory, so you risk losing credibility. You are talking about nice worlds and alluding perhaps to the ’90s man’ thing where it is good to cry, good to confess to everyone about everything etc, here, they would ride a herd of cattle over you, that’s the reality. Not everyone is as nice as you would like them to be. It would have been much better if America had buried deafhood and audism day one as we did.
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  SCRATCHMYHAIR | October 23rd, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

  Tayler,

  Normally, I don’t tend to post any comments till I read all of your comments.. whoa!… It is so simple to say that my under impression of YOU.. You don’t really understand about Deaf or deaf culture in general.. Simple.. Frankly, I disagree what ever you said in this blog.

  I suggest that if you know or understand about Deaf culture and the deaf society then okay to make the comments. It sounds like you are a hearing person if I assume correct.
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  tayler | October 23rd, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

  Humor me. What about the Deaf and deaf culture don’t I understand?

  I assure you, I am Deaf.
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  theHolism | October 23rd, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

  SCRATCHMYHAIR,

  Poke fun of Tayler if it pleases you but you ought to know that due to the nature of language and culture, Deaf people recognize Deaf people in an instant. And because you did not recognize Tayler as Deaf it tells me you don’t know deaf culture. Words are like mirror, a reflection of self.

  Barry
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  theHolism | October 23rd, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

  MM,

  You buried Deafhood and Audism in UK? Care to tell me which stake you used? Halloween is near and I think I’ve located the coffin. LOL.

  Barry